Here’s the story of the worst editor to ever take up space on this beautiful planet.
During my second year as an undergrad, someone very close to me was raped. It was a horrific experience, complete with guns, knives, and torture, like a scene from a Law & Order SVU episode. She was, needless to say, quite emotionally scarred.
A few years later, I wrote a poem about it and submitted it to a literary journal. I received an unbelievable response from the editor. He took the time to type a six page, single spaced letter in which he ranted about how he would never, ever publish a poem about rape, because he was so tired of hearing women cry and moan about the subject. In his opinion, women who get raped usually “have it coming,” because of the provocative way they dress or act around men. In his words, he was “sick of wenchy women poets who are always bashing men.”
He said that women who write poems about rape secretly desire to be raped, because they want to be dominated by men. He also said that rape was a bad subject, because it was “too baggy” and long, and no poem should be more than fifteen or twenty lines long. He wondered if I thought I was Alan Ginsberg, because he also hated Ginsberg, and he suggested that I pay more attention to commas and less attention to political issues du jour.
The hair on my head physically stood on end as I read his letter.
At first, I hoped I misunderstood what he meant. Surely, no editor of a literary journal could ever be such a cold hearted bastard. But after reading the letter several times, the words were pretty cut and dry. I sat in stunned silence knowing that I understood him oh too well.
Then I ripped his letter into as many pieces as I could and set it on fire in the backyard. Now I regret doing that. If I had saved it, I could have posted it on this blog for the world to see. I could put his name in huge, bold letters. But I was so upset by his letter that I don’t trust my recollection of his name or the name of his journal. I’d hate to mention what I think it was in fear of accidentally slandering some other good soul out there.
Part of my “revenge” is to imagine him as I think he is now–fat, bald, sitting naked at a creaky kitchen table under a bare lightbulb, looking at his latest porn magazine, maybe yelling out the window at the neighborhood kids.
Alone.
Please understand me. I am not offended when a literary journal rejects me. That would be petty and childish. For that matter, most rejection actually helps me. I go back and question what I have done and often make positive changes. Or I rethink my submission strategy or purchase journals when I can. Maybe the market does not fit the style of my work. Or maybe the poem just sucks, and I need to put it aside for a while.
What offends me is the way the poem was rejected. It wasn’t just a rant against my poem. It was a frightening rant against women in general.
So, I immediately sat down and wrote a poem called “DON’T WRITE A POEM ABOUT RAPE,” which was accepted by Calyx: A Journal of Art and Literature by Women. You probably know about Calyx, because it is a very well established and respected journal with amazing work by some big names and many new names, too. But if you don’t, then check them out. The writing and artwork they publish is first rate, and I was thrilled and humbled to be included. Yes, there are still many good editors out there, so don’t give up hope! Many thanks to Calyx for publishing my poem in their summer 1992 issue.
DON’T WRITE A POEM ABOUT RAPE
by Julie Buffaloe-Yoder
For the editor who told me
rape is not a fresh subject
(he knows who he is).
Rape is a cliché.
Unless it happens to you.
But don’t write a poem about it
or the editor might say
it’s just not fresh.
Rape is not fresh.
It’s been done too much.
It’s too emotional, confessional.
There are too many words.
People are not shocked anymore.
Don’t write a poem about it
especially if you were in the dark
university parking lot, a little more than tipsy,
and he forced you into his car with a gun.
Dark parking lots and guns are so overdone!
Don’t write a poem about it
especially if the digital time on his dash
was 12:00. It’s too much like the Twilight Zone
especially if those stiff red numbers
still ring in your brain sometimes
when you’re in the grocery line
and you drop everything you got, and the tomatoes
and the peaches, and the can of cream corn
go rolling down the aisle.
Don’t say he drove you down a dead end road.
Don’t tell how he bent your fingers back,
slammed them with the door over and over.
How heavy-handed can you get?
Don’t tell how he took the right to bare your arms,
your legs, your goose-bumpy little nipples,
and when he ripped your shirt in loud red shreds
you were trite enough to worry
what people would think about you.
For God’s sake, don’t say you were a virgin.
Honey, save it for the Movie of the Week.
Don’t tell about the fistfuls
of sand and gravel in your open mouth,
your open face, up your open legs.
It’s just not fresh.
Maybe try a different point of view.
Don’t tell how he held the gun so tenderly
in your ear, under your tongue,
deep inside the stretched-out skin
of your nostril, and you could smell the click
as he cocked it, and you could taste the click
in your throat as he made you call him Lord.
With the right music, it might work for a porno flick
but not for a literary journal.
Don’t tell how you looked up at the full moon
with its mouth torn into a little o
as you waited for it to be over.
Don’t you know the moon is overused?
And there are inconsistencies if you say
you almost laughed out loud
cause you were a stupid little twit who thought
who actually believed the first time would be romantic.
Don’t write a poem about it. Just don’t.
Especially if you went crazy when it didn’t end
and the only defense you had was to black out
and dream the damnedest dreams about a book
you used to have when you were a girl
and you dreamed a little song about the silvery moon,
the moon on the breast of the new fallen road
the Carolina moon that kept shining, shining,
shining on the one who’s raping you.
And when you woke up, it wasn’t over
but the Goodnight Moon was gone,
and you saw an old woman in the distance
come out on her porch to hear
what all the Hell raising was about,
turn out the light and go back inside
and you might’ve thought Good Night
to the Old Lady Whispering Hush,
but that’s too obvious, and anyway
we’ve heard that story before.
Don’t say he dragged you down the road by your hair,
the gravel chewing your back to bits.
Good Night Bowl of Mush, it’s just
the caveman syndrome. Get over it.
We’re sick of wenchy women poets
who are always bashing men.
And the part where he was gentleman enough
to drive you back to your dorm
just doesn’t fit the character.
Don’t say he told you he’d kill you if you breathed
a word, then asked your forgiveness, told you
not to worry and go get some sleep.
Would he really say that?
Don’t say he drove off in a limp line of smoke
as the sun came blinking over the horizon
and you staggered and puked your way back to your room,
knowing you wouldn’t make it to Psychology class that day.
Don’t talk about the guilt for not turning him in.
Take your ass to a talk show or a support group or a priest,
stop throwing the reader around.
Don’t tell the never ending end
of your whiny little poem. Get a grip.
Especially if your roommate laughed and said
Why would anybody want to rape you?
And the counselor said you’ve got to take control
of your life, and your boyfriend tried to understand
why even his understanding would never be enough,
why even his softest fingertips would always be too much.
So you drank yourself into a quiet rage
and now six years later it’s backed up in a corner
of your throat, bristling, sideways, ready to lunge
at the thickest, closest, slickest, hardest vein.
Nobody wants to hear about it anymore.
And the editor doesn’t care that
you’ve already cut half the words
and many of the details.
It’s still too sprawling, too baggy,
too talky, not fresh.
Go tell it to Ginsberg, we’ve
got a comma to perfect.
But if you’re that damned stubborn, go ahead.
You’ll write the poem alone
and it’ll live in a junk drawer
swelling up like a belly
under a pink pile of rejection.
Serves you right.
So stop acting like a bitchy female poet.
It just won’t work. It’s just not fresh.

Really amazing poem. I can’t believe the editor would say that crap. But you showed him by writing an awesome poem that GOT PUBLISHED!
Thanks, Amber! You are awesome. Everybody check out the Home of the Underground Mouse on the blogroll. I’d like to highlight your documentary, too. Blast, The Movie!
This is a powerful poem and I want to say thank you for sharing it.
Excellent. This deserves a reprint somewhere.
Thanks for sharing this story and this poem. It gave me chills, especially that fifth stanza.
An amazing piece, an amazing poem. I have only the words, thank you.
not a word too many–excellent piece
Thank you, everyone, for your kind comments. I spent three hours last night looking at your links, and still there is more I want to read. Powerful stuff. I’ll comment at your sites soon. First, I just wanted to read, read, read. It’s beautiful.
A couple of sites have been linked on this site. More to be linked…sorry to be such a newb. Or maybe I’m a nube?
Great post, Julie. Your description of the incident was jaw-dropping, but then following with the poem itself was the sucker punch. It deserved to be published and I’m happy it happened for you.
You put it very well, hoping that the editor (or what remains of him) is sitting somewhere: alone.
I believe the proper spelling is n00b
I got here from Feministe, where someone recommended this post and your poem. Thank you for sharing your story and this poem; I’ve worked on literary journals before and I am stunned by the way that editor treated you. What hate must have been pouring through him; I’m so sorry you were at the receiving end. Your poem is a very powerful response to the situation.
I really appreciate your kind words. You’re right…he was full of hate. I’m glad there are so many good editors and journals out there to offset the bad ones.
P.S. – I love your name, sweetmachine. Thanks for stopping by.
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Powerful poem.
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You have an awesome and fatadelic site. I love your chart about body acceptance. I will read much more. Thank you. -Julie
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What a shame that the name is lost. But what a wonderful, moving poem.
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Thank you, Cara. I read your latest post on The Curvature and was amazed. The rapist’s girlfriend was crying when he was sentenced. Girlfriend!! Now that’s a short story character right there. What would make a woman do that? Sheesh. But thank you so much for your site and for your kind words. -Julie
I’m actually glad you tossed the letter. This way we recognize your moving work and not his misogyny. Your poem combines the anger of the raped woman and the anger at the editor and shows the deep connection between rape and misogyny. You bring out the force of the attitude. You’ve made me want to write poetry again, and to read more – especially of your work. Thank you
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Two Women Blogging…another awesome site. Thank you so much. This is so cool…I feel like I’m meeting new people every day. When I wrote the poem, I was a timid little mouse, so it surprised me and I guess sort of freed me. I’d love to read your poems. Please do post them! -Julie
Here from the Curvature. As an aspiring poet myself, I have a love affair with poetry that tries to deal with “old” subjects. Your poem is lovely, in the spine-chilling, heart-gripping sort of way. It’s perfect. It has voice. A strong voice. Thank you for writing this, and for not giving up! *teaspoon love*
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Thank you so much. The cartoon character on your site is an excellent post. She is so much prettier with the afro and dark skin. Please do keep writing poems! -Julie
Wow.
Simple, wow.
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Spin me, I Pulsate…great blog title. I will read more soon and comment. Thanks much! -Julie
What can I say but to echo the other commentary to your poem. It was powerful and extremely moving. How dare the publisher not recognize this. To tell a rape victim that should not speak about her rape is beyond disgusting. I think that it is wonderful that re submitted your poem.
excellent poem. Thank you
Wow – that is all I can say. Beautifully written and emotionally powerful. Thank you.
Thank you so much, everyone, for your kind comments. I’m sorry I haven’t responded personally to each of you. It has been a crazy past couple of days schedule wise. But you have lifted me up, and I really appreciate it. I will look at all of your links tonight and try to post again this week. Ah, sweet night…when the phone stops ringing…sometimes. Thanks again. You have made coming out of my hermit cave worth it. -Julie
Holy shit, threefold.
Do you recall what journal that editor worked for? I’d like to put it on my (short) list of journals never to submit to.
Well-met, by the way. Found you through The Curvature, adding you to my feed.
This is a wonderful, powerful piece – as all the others have said.
I would like to link to you from my site. Also – I teach a class called Personal Violence and Healing to undergrads – it’s on my fall schedule. Of course we spend a lot of time talking about rape, sexual assault and violence against women. I would love to share this post and the poem with them, if that would be okay.
Thank you for posting it here.
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Wow…I’d be honored. That sounds like a very worthwhile class. What books will you use? I don’t see your URL. What is your site? Thank you so much for your kindness and also for being a caring teacher. I still vividly remember and adore my undergrad teachers. Last year, I wrote to the ones I could find to thank them. I never told them before. I regret never telling them, especially the ones I couldn’t find. If you happen to have a shy young woman who sits in the back row and never says a word, you never know how much you might be impacting her life. Thank you! -Julie
This took my breath.
Thanks for writing this – it’s well done.
I’m here from The Curvature.
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Emily Lauren: Thank you, too! And, of course, to The Curvature.
I’m also hear from The Curvature.
That was amazing and powerful… it made me tear up. Thank you for sharing.
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Thank you so much, Becky. I guess by now everybody’s getting tired of hearing me say “Thank you! Thank you!” But I really do mean it from the bottom of my heart. There are lots of good folks out there. It gives me hope. -Julie
Here from a cross post between the Curvature and Hoyden About Town. This is heart wrenching, enraging, and terrifying.
I say reveal the offender so more aspiring writers can separate the good from the misogynist crapbags.
Hi Julie. I posted a link to your post and poem at “Feministe” and now look what’s happened! You’re world famous! Pretty dammed good for a “noob”.
You go woman!
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I am so humbled…seriously overwhelmed. I was hoping to get “a couple” of people together for a discussion, so this has really charged me up. Thank you so much! And to everyone else. I’m so sorry I’m not commenting back to everyone. I’ve been on the run lately. Oh yeah, and there’s the crappy day job, too. I’m sure I’ll be blogging about those bastards…ha. Take care & everyone please do check out the links on the comments. My daughter, Amber, gets credit for the technical stuff. One of these days, I’ll figure out how to upload pictures, and then I’ll be a real blogging Mama.
Excellent writing.
I have to agree with LE Hairstylist though – are there any legal issues for posting the text of the rejection and the name of the journal?
Thank you for writing this.
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I love your post about the MisFortune 500. I’d like to add my bosses from my day job, but it’s not a big corp. I live in an area with very few jobs. I guess it’s time to move or figure out how to freelance! Take care and thanks for dropping in. -Julie
Sunless Nick & LE Hairstylist…more cool names! You think like I do. If I could remember 100%, I’d tattoo it on my butt and show it on the six o’clock news. Well…not really. But I would post it and not worry about the legal issues, because he’s the one who said it.
I wish I could remember…exactly. It’s been a long time, so it’s fuzzy. It wasn’t a big name, and I think it went under. I’m just afraid if I say “I think it could have been so and so,” it might turn out to be wrong. Then some good people could get hurt.
I’m a freaking idiot. I wish I had saved it, instead of crying in front of a fire in the backyard. Now that I’m older, I’m a little braver, but live and learn.
It’s so good to have aspiring poets and writers drop in. Please keep writing. I can’t wait to see your work.
Thanks again! -Julie
I love how, like so many great poems, you use the levels of meaning here: “it’s been done too much,” It sure has, just not in the way the editor meant it.
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That’s for sure. And one time is too many, isn’t it? Thanks for your great comment and kind words! -Julie
Here from theCurvature.
Wow. I have to admit, I know very little about poetry – but I do know what moves me and this made my chest tighten.
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Thanks, Jennifer-Ruth. You must have a poem in you, because “chest tightening” is a cool turn of a phrase. Thanks so much for stopping in. I wish I could pass out drinks (I stole that one from Matt Cahill on imaginary magnitude). He’s got the most beautiful post up thee now about his home town. Peace & love. -Julie
It amazes me you were able to contain your anger while writing that poem to make it tasteful yet informative and heart wrenching. I’d be too tempted to put in way too many F words out of my growing frustration at that editor.
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Thank you, Kathryn! Oh yeah…I thought of many choice words. The scary thing is that a couple of the lines were from his letter like when he said he was “sick of wenchy women poets who are always bashing men.” Huh?? What is wrong with that dude? I’m glad they’re not all that way. Thanks so much for stopping by! -Julie
Julie – I forgot to say that I was here from the Curvature, too (thanks, Cara!).
Here’s my URL – not sure why it didn’t show up:
http://harrietsdaughter.wordpress.com/
The texts we use are “Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence from Domestic Abuse to Political Terror” by Judith Herman, and “Aftermath: Violence and the Remaking of a Self” by Susan Brison.
I’ll be linking to you today – thanks so much.
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I just looked at your site. Loved it! Sorry I’m a techno-dummy. I’ll link soon. Those sound like good books, too. Your students are so lucky. Take care. -Julie
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Can you forward a copy of your published poem to the literary journal?
Hi, Lindsay: Hmmm…that’s a good idea. And if I send it to the wrong place, they’ll just think I’m crazy, so no harm would be done. Thanks for the idea & for stopping by.
Hi Julie. I’m so glad that people are linking to this post all over the place – today I notice that Shakesville has linked from Hoyden About Town. We need to read this poem. I sent the poem itself to a male friend of mine who thought it was/is the most powerful thing he’d ever read. He’s going to use it for a talk he gives every year on violence against women. And I imagine he’s sending it ’round to his friends as well.
I, too, am a poet who has tried to write about childhood sexual abuse and woman abuse. My poet/mentor had some problems with what I wrote – he wasn’t a bad as this editor but, in many ways, the complaint was the same. I have one piece in particular that some people think is the most powerful thing I’ve ever written, but that he thinks I just can’t “put out” into the world. I don’t want to describe it any more than this in public because I actually am worried that it would seriously offend some people.
Is there a way we might have some discussion about this in private? and possibly discuss it more publicly later, if we think it’s ok to do that? You can contact me at wmiyd@hotmail.com if you’re interested at all. I know you’re busy so take your time in responding.
Thanks and have fun in the blogsphere!
Cool…I was just answering comments and you popped in! It’s crazy to be so fragmented. Aren’t we, women?? Well, I guess men are, too, but I can only speak from my own perspective. I DREAM of a room of my own…time and money…to be able to write without constant interruptions. Does anybody have that? If you do, I’m jealous.
Okay, enough of my whining. Yes, I’d love to talk with you about your poem. I’ll e-mail you soon. I’m inclined to say if it’s powerful, why hide it under a bush? But I don’t know. I worry about offending people, too, so I don’t practice what I preach. That’s an interesting topic. To offend or not to offend? That is the question. Some people will get offended no matter what. Some people offend just for the sake of BEING offensive. Etc. etc. I’d better stop, or I’ll write another blog here…ha! I’ll e-mail you soon. Thanks again!
P.S. – I didn’t mean that you or anyone else made me fragmented. I meant that I was answering comments in a rush and here and there whenever I can before I have to go do something else. See? I’m worried I would offend you with that! Silly me.
[...] ~Excerpt from “Don’t Write a Poem about Rape” by Julie Buffaloe-Yoder. Read the rest here. [...]
I came here from Shakesville. What an amazing, moving, heartbreaking poem. It made me so sad and angry for you, and especially for your friend who had to endure that. I hope she is healing.
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Thank you so much, Betsy. Yes, that’s the good news. She healed a long time ago. A counselor and I were the only people she talked to at first. Then she started drinking a lot. It was rough for a while. But once she finally started talking to professionals and keeping a journal, she went through the healing process. She still doesn’t want it “public,” so I withhold her name. We’re, I guess you can say, from the old school of thought of the 1980’s. Not a lot of talking about it, at least not on our campus at the time.
I will look at Shakesville tonight! Thanks again. -Julie
to echo all the rest, thank you. this was a beautiful poem about a horrific response to a horrific experience. i send all the good vibes possible to you and your friend. i hope she finds peace.
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Thank you so much. I love your name, too. Do you have a site? Thanks for dropping in. -Julie
I came from Hoyden About Town via Shakesville. As someone who was, uh, SVU’d, for lack of a better word, and then called a liar, this poem broke my heart in the best sort of way. I sometimes forget that the rapes were real because they were so absurd, and I was so pathetic, looking up at the moon like your friend, one rapist fixing me a ham sandwich with potato chips (salt and vinegar because they were my favorite) while the others finished up. Reading your poem, I feel like I have sisters I’ve never met.
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Redblossom, your comment has made me literally cry. Being called a liar after going through that horrendous experience must have been…I can’t even find the words to express how my heart aches for you. The ham sandwich and potato chips are chilling. My friend was worried that no one would believe her, because her rapist was a good looking older guy (later twenties) who had been hanging around campus. When he started stalking her, she didn’t even realize it. She thought it was cool that he liked her. Then it got weird, because he was always there.
I hope you have found peace. Did you write about your experience? Thank you so much for sharing. Yes, you have many sisters! -Julie
Incredible poem; so moving. My heart aches for you. Thank you for writing it and posting it.
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Thank you so much. Your kindness is appreciated. I’m glad you left your site. I will check it out and comment back. Take care. -Julie
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Just wanted to put another hand up about this powerful poem. (I’m Lauredhel’s co-blogger from Hoyden About Town).
Thank you so much for writing it originally and for sharing it again now.
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Yes! I have really enjoyed your site. Your posts, of course, but also your pictures. Thank you so much! -Julie
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Very powerful. I can’t imagine a more daunting challenge than to write a poem on such a subject, and to do it so very well. Thank you so very much for sharing. I can’t imagine a better example of why poetry matters and why feminism matters.
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Again, I am so thankful. I love your last sentence, because someone at my day job made a comment to me this week along the lines of “what good is poetry?” Most of them don’t even know I write poetry, and I don’t tell them, so it wasn’t directed at me. But it makes me think (for the millionth time) about how poets, writers, and other artists are viewed by the world. Thanks again, and I will check out your site soon. -Julie
Honesty? Your poem was so emotionally moving, I couldn’t read it all. It tugged at heartstrings and my fears so badly, I was in tears! I trully loved it yet dreaded it at the same time. It’s rare a story can bring me to tears and keep me emotionally charged like yours did. Needless to say, I can never express my feelings about that editor without writing an essay. What is trully amazing is that your poem can stand on it’s own without the story of the editor. It’s that good and I dont’ think I would have been lost reading it, even without the story to go along. It’s an impressive piece of work and I wish you the best of luck on future publishings.
PS..was the rapist caught? and I hope your friend is receiving the therapy she needs. Give her our love please
Kathryn
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Thank you so much, Kathryn! Yes, she is doing very well now. Thanks for dropping in. -Julie
Oh I’m sorry I can’t edit…I caught the comment afterwards about the ‘rapist’s girlfriend crying when he was convicted,’ goes to show you how gentle and trusting women can be sometimes…yes we all deserved to be raped..it makes me sick.
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I’m sorry, Kathryn…I didn’t express myself very well in my response. The rapist’s girlfriend who was crying when he was convicted was something different. It was from an article I read on The Curvature. Go to Cara’s site and check it out. It’s chilling. My friend didn’t know the rapist personally, though he had been hanging around campus. Sorry for my miscommunication…but thank you so much for all the nice things you said! Take care. -Julie
Amazing poem. Just amazing.
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Thank you! That’s a gorgeous little girl on your site. They’re so much fun. Take care. -Julie
I think that satire in creative writing is the hardest genre of all. It is very difficult to create a work of good artistic quality that doesn’t sound preachy if we are writing about a subject that matters a lot to us.
Your poem is amazing. It has a rare balance of content and expression. I love the way you use free verse – lot of free verse are just prose broken down in fragments, but your piece has a great rhythm.
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Hi, Nia. I’ve been looking at your sites…and jewelry!! Do you make the jewelry? It is beautiful. I need to bone up on my Spanish so I can read your belly dancing site better. I used to be able to read Spanish, then I got lazy and stopped working at it. Thanks for your kind comments. -Julie
Thank you for this: for the initial poem, for the second poem, for this post, for speaking out in general. Thank you, also, for mentioning Calyx; as a fiction writer whose focus is women, I think that will be a good resource.
I’m looking forward to reading more of your work.
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Thank you very much. I like your site, too…and the Lizard QUEEN is great.
Yes, Calyx is one of the good ones. My impression was that they are editors who CARE about poetry/poets. Very professional and courteous. They also had a great suggestion about changing a word, but they asked me first before changing it. I really felt respected by them. Oh…and they have some awesome excerpts posted at their site now. Poems and short story. Thanks much and have a beautiful day! -Julie
that’s weird that it didn’t link it automatically.
http://infamousqbert.wordpress.com
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Jesus Christ on Rollerskates.
Powerful. Visceral.
Hi, Rodger. I love Carver’s Dog! Your writing history is so interesting, too. Thank you much & take care.
Hi, Julie. Thanks for stopping by the Dog. I’ll be back when my schedule loosens up to have a better look around here. I linked off my buddy Scot Young’s poetry page. (Scot’s a regular reader and commenter at my site, and I at his).
A pleasure to make your acquaintance …
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It’s a pleasure to meet you, too, Rodger. I’ve learned a lot from your site already. I encourage everyone to check out Carver’s Dog. I’ll be linking soon when I’m not on the run anymore. Scott’s site is linked, but I will also put up the name of his site. I’m a dummy. But I know good poetry when I see it, and Scott’s is excellent. Take care. -Julie
Hi Julie,
your words hit close to home thank you for sharing.
Thank you for stopping by, Amanda. I appreciate it.
My goodness, I stumbled on this site through link-surfing. I’ll always thank my luck. I don’t know whether if you’re already an established big-shot poet – but this poem moved me so much. Some things have effect on the way we’ll think about our lives later – some songs determine our personalties; and some poems like these shape up the neurons of our brains.
Hard-hitting, bitter and ironic. The editor that rejected you did you a favour – he didn’t deserve a poem from you.
Thanks for making my day fruitful, and greetings from Bangladesh.
Hi, Suddha:
The nicest thing about having a blog is meeting people from all over the world. Please do come back and tell us what your life is like, your favorite poets, etc.
I can’t even imagine myself as a big shot…ha! If I ever get too full of myself, there are many good people back home who will remind me of my roots. I’m thankful for that.
And I appreciate your kind words. Thank you very much and have a beautiful day.
DAMN that was powerful. AMAZING. I am covered in goosebumps. Thank you. Your friend is lucky to have someone like you who so clearly understands what she continues to go through.
And as for that editor?
Fuck ‘im.
May I PLEASE PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE be allowed to post your poem on my blogsites, with credit given to you, of course?
Beth Fehlbaum, author
Courage in Patience, a story of hope for those who have endured abuse
http://courageinpatience.blogspot.com
http://www.kunati.com/courage-in-patience
Chapter 1 is online!
Hi, Beth:
I just checked out your book, and it looks awesome. Most people don’t realize how difficult Young Adult fiction is. That’s still a teen category, right? It was anywhere from around eleven-years-old through high school back when I worked in youth services at a library. But it can be enjoyed by adults, too. I know I certainly can’t do it, so way to go!
I’ll check it out further in September and also ask my local library if they can order a copy. I’m around teens a lot (and teens who have suffered abuse). I know how much some of them hurt. It will help them a lot to know they’re not alone.
Thanks for your kind comments. If you put my name on the poem, I don’t mind if you post it. My big ole ego keeps me from being anonymous (plus the hope of selling books someday, too).
Thanks again and best of luck. -Julie
Thank you, Julie. I will post it tonight, with full credit to you, of course.
Beth Fehlbaum, author
Courage in Patience, a story of hope for those who have endured abuse
http://courageinpatience.blogspot.com
http://www.kunati.com/courage-in-patience
Chapter 1 is online!
Julie, your poem has been clicked on 100 times on my Author’s Den site (http://www.authorsden.com/bethfehlbaum). There are reviews that you can click on, too– a couple of people were so emotional after they read it that they thought I wrote it– but I assure you that they caught their mistake and privately messaged me to tell me so, to apologize for their error, and to sing your praises to the heavens.
People have also written me through MySpace, where I posted it as well.
It is an AMAZING expression of rage and I thank you so much for allowing me to post it. I hope it does lead to more for you.
Beth Fehlbaum, author
Courage in Patience, a story of hope for those who have endured abuse
http://courageinpatience.blogspot.com
http://www.kunati.com/courage-in-patience
Chapter 1 is online.
Wow…that blows my mind. I never knew that so many people could relate to my words. I’m also saddened that they can relate, because they have endured the pain. Thank you so much, Beth. I really appreciate it.
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Julie, your poem is so powerful that a reader doesn’t have to have actually experienced the pain you describe. That is the wonder. You give the experience. And the catharsis. The beauty in the ugliness. The most wondrous thing of all …
Holy fuck this is amazing.
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Hey, Noah! I didn’t see you here earlier. Thanks for visiting. I like your work, too.
As you can see, the poem has a continuing life of its own, and it truly deserves it. Outside of Neruda’s Bowl of Blood for the General, I’ve rarely seen anger and outrage done so well and so movingly in a poem. Wonderful work.
Thanks much, John. People who know me are usually surprised by my angry poems. It’s quite emotionally cathartic & good for the soul sometimes.
I appreciate your comments & visit. Take care.
Julie,
This is truly enormous. I’m glad you told this story. These stories have to be told. Those sort of things should never be contained.
Thank God you told it.
Thanks, Holly. You’re so right. It’s anger dipped in sadness but needs to be out there. Thanks again for dropping in.
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I just came here via Scot’s and found this…….very strong piece, and the story that goes with it — shame he can’t be outed but men like that, well.
Thank you! I’ve been meaning to link up with you. I like your work. I’m just a little slow getting links up sometime (I don’t know why…it’s not like it’s brain surgery), but will do it this week. Take care and thanks again for stopping in.
Hey Julie. We’ve all come across such interesting people and great blogsites here. Thanks so much for your post, your blog and YOU!
hysperia, you brighten up my day. I say the same thing about you. Thank you very much!
Hello Julie, may I post this poem, with credits to you, in my blog? I’d be glad if you permitted
Maybe you remember me, I’m that guy from Bangladesh. I still check on your site and chuckle in wonder…
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Hi, Suddha…I’m sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I have been offline for a bit. Sure, it is fine if you post my poem, but please credit me (that sounds a bit big headed, I know). But thank you for asking! And also my apologies for not linking you yet. I will do that this week. Thanks again. I appreciate your kindness. -Julie
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Suddha! I’m dumber than dirt. I can’t find your link on your comments. Do you have your blog up yet? Please let me know, and I’ll get you linked. And thanks again! -Julie
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It’s such a tricky subject, but you handled it so well. The editor sounds like a tragic, horrible man.
I was raped last December by my (at the time) boyfriend. Writing about it, finding good poetry from it is still very hard. I hope your friend is in a much better place now.
Lentil, I am truly sorry for your horrible experience. It must still be a difficult thing. Yes, my friend is in a much better place. Time has helped greatly. Actually, writing about it was hard for her, too, but it was what helped her the most. Thank you for your visit and kind comments.
I admire the approach you have taken, to take the horror and distance it by showing it through the eyes of yet another kind of bastard on the planet. People deserve understanding. We are all in the same boat, all probably not competent to live our own lives. Some of us, however, insist on damaging others, reside somewhere on the spectrum of wounds we cause, and often repeat. So this editor is not fundamentally different from the rapist who hurt your friend, perhaps actually worse, since the rapist asked for forgiveness in your poem. He was probably momentarily sincere, and you have remarkable generosity adding that event to the poem.
Most bastards are not 100% bastards and often have moments of insight and kindness if only by accident. If they have kids they probably love them, and even show it sometimes.
This does not in any way relieve them of the guilt of crimes they commit. Punishment is completely deserved. But then it gets complex when you wonder, do the kids deserve losing their dad? And all of us who understand the way of things know that rapists are seldom caught, and most rapes not reported. So then do we over punish to make up for the ones we do not catch? Scapegoating is certainly a universal human behavior.
You have brought up very good points, Christopher. We should be careful to not “scapegoat” every man on the face of the planet for the actions of a few bastards. My writing on this subject is angry and cathartic, but it’s not meant to be an indictment of all men. Most men are good and decent people.
The same can be said for editors. I also hope I made it clear enough that I don’t think many editors are like this one. As a matter of fact, I think he’s a rare breed. Most editors are good people who care about the craft.
Your comments also make me think of the guards at concentration camps during the Jewish Holocaust. I have read letters and writings by some of the most evil men who would go home and play with their children, volunteer in their neighborhoods, and do all the “kind” things normal people do. That contrast is chilling, isn’t it?
I think the bastard who raped my friend was, in a warped way, trying to clear his own conscience by asking for forgiveness, but that is just my opinion. I can’t say what was in his twisted mind.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Christopher. You have really made me think!
I can’t say as I understand this comment as well as you seem to Julie. It’s “interesting” to bring up the difficulties with how we punish people for crimes and often destroy families by imprisoning people in the context of rape and not crime in general. Personally, I have a great deal more difficulty with parents taken from children for forging cheques or committing welfare fraud than I do for committing rape. Is a rapist a fit father? Just asking, on that one.
And, once again, in the US anyway, most murder cases are not solved. Are we over-punishing murderers as a result? I guess it’s an interesting question, but I’m just not sure I trust the motivation for asking these questions in the context of rape and not crime in general.
Hmmm. I was quite repetitive in my comment. I think Christopher’s comment is upsetting or something.
I didn’t think he meant we should have sympathy for the rapist? I thought he meant that a rapist is bad, but we shouldn’t rush to scapegoat all innocent men (just because they’re men). Am I missing something? Maybe Christopher can come back and clarify. I will ask him, and I’m sure he’ll do that for us.
Thanks, hysperia, for bringing it up, though. I’d rather have it brought up and let him explain, instead of having people wondering. You keep me on my toes, lady! Thank you.
hysperia, I should have said SISTAH! instead of lady. Love to you. And thanks again.
I certainly had no wish to offend anyone with my comments. I simply know of situations which don’t fit the laws very well. I am also a member of AA with 26 years of recovery and therefore spend a lot of time with felons. I get used to living in this world where I help and they help and many of us stay sober. Because I have a friend (not an AA member, instead gay) convicted of a sex crime, I have intimate knowledge of one particular situation where justice is not being served at all, but I can’t get into trying to convince anyone of that.
This area is very difficult, except to say there is certainly more than one side to it.
Bringing up murder as an example leads me to mention that often sex crimes including rape are treated as worse than certain murders, and certainly worse than most manslaughters. This is exactly where the issue gets into gray areas.
Christopher, I apologize to you. I think I completely missed the boat on what you were saying. I’m still thinking you mean your friend was innocent, but I’m exhausted today and may still be missing the boat.
When I read your comments, I kept thinking of a man I know who was accused of molesting a little girl. He didn’t do it, but it was a long story, and his life was ruined even after he was cleared. I’m probably bringing too much of my own personal experience into what you and hysperia are trying to say. So please excuse me for that! You have been kind and gentle in your comments on other posts, and I had no business asking you to clarify anything. I’m sure your intentions were good.
hysperia, I apologize to you. I think I misunderstood your comment, too. I appreciate the discussion, and I will read more carefully and maybe not be so dense in the future!
Julie, this is why I could never be in the business of law. I take seriously the observation that only God can judge, by which I mean that none of us are in the place where we can know enough about these kind of situations to adequately judge them – and so many situations have enough within view to hit an impasse where justice will be violated no matter what choice is made. Often there are no right choices, no choices which do not impose an unjust burden somewhere. No one is really competent then.
We have a system of justice that we cannot do without. It is almost certainly among the best in the world. To say that is not to say that it actually approaches perfection, nor that it even approaches excellence very often. In fact our system is often a travesty in many areas. It makes the wrong people rich. It destroys others who do not deserve it. There is bias built into it due to the ways that power collects.
Yet we must accept it because there is nothing better. That is a situation to grieve.
Rape is certainly a crime and we must (if we can) catch and judge rapists. Yet I don’t really understand how to find just compensation. I am pretty sure serving time really doesn’t equate to the amazing and abhorrent action of rape. Of course, neither does capital punishment. The other matter is social protection, get the rapist into some place where he will not rape again. But how on earth can we ever know a rapist will rape again? Sure, many would. Some wouldn’t. And how does doing anything to the rapist actually compensate the victim who has lost his or her (because there is same sex rape, you know, and women who rape men as well as other women) moorings and trust in society and peace and security, and perhaps permanently broken body?
And finally, why is it that we treat those who murder in the second degree, vehicular homicide, and manslaughter in general better than rapists? We actually think that taking a person’s life even by accident is somehow less serious?
I am not competent to judge these things. I can in grief raise the questions.
Christopher, I still think we’re talking in circles and not understanding each other. So, I’m going to unleash the western side of my brain that is straight talking and to the point. If I’m misinterpreting what you are saying, again, I will apologize.
But if you are saying that I should feel one bit of sympathy for a rapist…sorry. That ain’t gonna happen. Ever. Yes, it’s a visceral and emotional reaction on my part, but I don’t really care. If a person is FALSELY accused of rape, I feel much sympathy for him/her. If a person rapes another human being, I am not able to muster up one ounce of understanding for the rapist’s “difficult situation” in life or point of view.
That’s just me. No, I’m not God. Do I have the right to judge? Maybe not. But I have the right to say when something is wrong. Saying when something is wrong is not, in my opinion, being “judgmental.”
You seem to verge on points that I can agree with, but then you confuse me with other points. For example, when you say “none of us are in the place where we can know enough about these kind of situations to adequately judge them.”
Have you read the above poem? Every single word of it is true. How can the verdict of GUILTY be denied in that situation? There are NO shades of gray in this case. My friend was in the place where she can know enough to adequately judge. She is the one who carries those scars, and she has the right to point her finger at that frigging beast and scream guilty, because he is. As charged. The gavel comes down. Loudly.
I agree there are flaws in the system. But I think the flaws are much worse for the victim. My friend was too scared to come forward. Too scared of having her name dragged through the mud by the media (she was a college student who had been drinking). Too scared of the police. A rapist went free, and she also had to deal with the horrible pain of that fact. She also had to live with the fear of having him return.
This poem is not about sympathy for rapists. It is about sympathy for the victims. Again, if I’m misinterpreting anyone’s comment, please set me straight, and I’ll make it right.
Hi Christopher and Julie. I want to try to clarify a few things.
One is that, though I may have misunderstood your comment Christopher, I didn’t “take offense”. I was upset by what I thought I understood, but that’s different. Now that I’ve read your next comments, I see that I do agree with you about many things.
For one thing, it’s not likely that there’s anyone in the world who finds Western and particularly, US, methods of incarceration more abhorrent than do I. I’ve worked in it too and I’ve worked one-on-one with prisoners who I can’t believe are in there. I can’t believe how inhumane we are in this respect and I’m sure that many rapists who are convicted get much worse than any human being deserves. I work to change that.
My point was that I found it upsetting that these issues were raised with respect to the crime of rape and not to other crimes, but I see that, for you, it was an occasion to talk about crime in general, though it was in the context of the crime of rape. Perhaps I jumped on that a bit because I often hear the arguments come up with respect to rape and not other crimes and I made a leap in thinking that’s what you meant. Apologies for that.
On the other hand, you kind of do it again when you talk about people you know who have been unjustly convicted of sex crimes. There are such people, just as there are people who have been convicted of murder unjustly and every other crime. That is terrible but I do think that most people would like to see a “just” justice system and don’t want innocent people in jail. However, I must add that there are far more rapes that are unreported and far more rapists who are NOT convicted than there could ever be unjustly convicted rapists. We know that the reporting levels are extremely low, for some of the reasons that Julie points out, and I know, from my work as a lawyer, that it’s incredibly difficult to get a conviction on rape and other sex crime charges. INCREDIBLY difficult. And frustrating to see those men be let loose to rape again.
We DO know a good deal about serial sex criminals. Not every sex criminal can be categorized that way, but very many can. And we know of very little by way of therapy or other support that can change them and stop them, other than incarcerating them. I hope we learn more and can change this. Frankly, more for their victims than for them, though changing their lives is a nice side benefit.
We all know women and children whose lives have been badly damaged by sex crimes. I say that because the numbers of women, female and male children who suffer from these crimes is absolutley epidemic. The men who commit these crimes are usually, and I emphasize “usually”, in positions of power, in one way or another, and are more than able to find their way around the justice system. It’s much more often the women and children who suffer repeated injustice.
I want to live in a different world than the one we live in and I work to create it and it seems clear that you do as well. In that regard, we are brothers and sisters and that’s such a good thing. I believe that many women react the way they do, perhaps the way I did, to people’s views of the crime of rape because we have so much experience of injustice in that regard – it has happened to us or our sisters or friends or daughters. I’m not sure I know a woman who hasn’t had close experience of it. All too often, it is disregarded or women are blamed for their own victimisation, adding further wounds. And I do make judgments about that. I’m not a religious person myself, but I was raised in a Christian tradition. I believe that Jesus Christ himself believed that people must submit themselves to human laws, as he did himself. Human laws and the execution of justice will be flawed, because human. We should never rest on our laurels and assume that everything’s working fine. I don’t, you don’t and Julie doesn’t, which puts us on the same side, for the most part.
For those of us who have experienced sexual violence or been close to it through friends and family, it’s awfully hard to be sympathetic to the perpetrators. But we don’t have to be. That’s why we’re not in charge of judging and imprisoning them and that is a good thing about our system of justice. I’m not a violent person, but there are some men whose necks I would wring if it were left to me, so I’m glad it’s not.
Finally, I know of no place in the world where rape is considered a more serious crime than murder. There may be some people who think that way, but that view is certainly not held by police forces or by the justice system. Not in general. Although I’m sure you can find cases of INJUSTICE where this may appear to be the case, such as when African American men rape white women. And we should do what we can to rid ourselves of those prejudices. The reason that vehicular manslaughter etc., does not warrant the same response is due to the issue of intention. Manslaughter is a reckless but unintentional act and, I think quite rationally, we don’t respond as harshly. Rape cannot be unintentional. We do, in some cases, respond to what the perpetrator MEANT to do and not just to what s/he did in terms of taking a life.
But do I judge? Yes, I sure do.
Sorry to go on so, Julie, but I do think this is important stuff.
hysperia, I think it is important, too. Please don’t apologize for commenting. Both you and Christopher are most welcome. I’d also like to add that I’m not offended or upset, either. Christopher, I do not mean for my last comments to you to seem that way, so I hope they are not.
Conversation is very good. When caring people stop talking, that’s when we’re in big trouble. You both obviously care very much and bring up points that have made me think very deeply today. For that, I thank you and Christopher very much.
I still stand by my points, though. I can’t even pretend to muster up sympathy for rapists. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but hysperia, you put it beautifully when you say it’s a good thing we don’t have to be judges. It’s a good thing I’m not.
Thanks again, y’all. Feel free to drop in anytime.
Hi- When I clicked on your “about” tab, I then chose this as the first work of yours to read after I had read your current post (it’s now Jan.8, 2009), from a click from Old Mossy Moon’s site.
Awesome writing! You have extraordinary empathy, something I wish there was more of in this world. Your painfully real poem shows that all of us NEED to feel the emotions of the victim, the person who was violated, whether we’ve been raped or not.
You splayed heinous crime across our “lap-top” page from perspectives that must be addressed or changed and are too often suppressed or tossed out, to put it mildly. I’m nauseated by the actions of the editor who rejected you, but not surprised because I’m too aware of such jerk’s opinions.
Hurray for the place that published your piece and congratulations to you! I’m going to look them up. (I’m an artist who likes to write.) I’ll definitely return soon to read more of your work as well as check on current circumstances.
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Thank you so much, Gel. It is a pleasure to meet you. I appreciate all your kind words, and yes, please do look up the journals that have published my work. I’m very big on promoting those journals and other small presses. I’m even a big fan of some that have rejected me:)
All kidding aside, I really would be a fan of Calyx regardless of whether I was in there or not. They are excellent.
And thank you again for your kind comments. I can tell you have much empathy too, and it is wonderful to meet someone who truly cares. I’m sure we’ll talk again soon. Take care! -Julie
OMG!! I have been looking for a copy/reprint of this poem EVERYWHERE! It is one of this most poignant, brilliant pieces of literature I have ever read! I performed it in high school speech…for competition in 1994. I went all the way to the State Series with it in Illinois – it meant so much to me; I was raped and when I finally DID tell my story some people had this same reaction…”get over yourself…people are sick of hearing about it…” blah, blah blah!!
Thank you Julie…not only did you help me heal from something traumatic in my life, but you helped me hone my interpretation skills (as awkward as that may sound).
You are a beautiful spirit!
Hi, Becky:
I am so sorry for your horrific experience. “Horrific” doesn’t even seem to be a strong enough word. No human being should ever have to experience what you did. Ever!! And then to have people tell you to “get over yourself” only adds to the horrible pain. But I am so happy for your healing.
Thank you very much for telling me this. Sometimes, as a writer, it all seems sort of futile. Writing tends to be such a solitary act, and I often wonder if I’m really connecting with another human being. I’ve always wanted to be able to use my words to help people. That has been a big dream of mine. Art for art’s sake is lovely, but I dream of making my art “useful,” especially for people who are hurting.
So, your words have really helped me! Thank you so much. I would love to hear you perform the poem. That would be awesome. Take care and please feel free to come back anytime. -Julie
I just have to say that you are brilliant!
I’ll remember reading your words forever, I’m so moved.
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Kim, I can’t believe I missed your comment. I tend to get going on projects, and my mind is in another solar system! My apologies for taking so long to say hello. Thank you very much. -Julie
damned powerful.
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Hi, kaolin fire and thank you! Cool zine:) -Julie
common i should have been a women i tell you Julie…a man to say something like this about women is preposterous…what a human is he?i mean women who write RAPE related poems like to get raped?wow?could you think of any women on earth who likes to get raped mister?
such men deserve to be banished from earth..rape is cliché??what does that mean (i am not referring to the poem..i am referring to the EDITOR’s idea abt it)..god forbid if it happens to your sister or mother and they feel that their words must reach the ignorant then would you call them ‘women who want to get raped’
perhaps julie you should have found that editor out and given him a tight slap of his life!!
But i am glad you wrote a poem and bashed him black and blue…dear pseudo editors and so called thinkers of this world remember that when words rise they tend to stitch your lips tight…when a poets get a shocks they use it as electricity to light a bulb…dare touch the bulb you shall be burnt alive,love the light and you shall life peacefully…
special mention to the issue: recently i saw a dance(yes on INDIAN television) which depicted the woes of a rape victim..a rape victim is no victim..she must rise beyond the social barriers and hard frowns targeted at at her…writing such poems does encourage the victims(who must not be called victims at all)to live their life…if men cannot help her facilitate her to RElive then i am ashamed of my sex…perhaps that should be a pledge for mothers’ day and all the days that come by…i shall write a poem on this topic soon…let me see who dares point a finger…
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Thank you so much for your comments, Narendra. I love your poem, too. I encourage everyone to check it out. It makes me feel great to know you were inspired to write it by your visit here. Writers and poets are always looking for those connections with other human beings, and I am glad to be your friend.
Thank goodness this editor was “one in a million.” I really don’t think all editors are like this. For that matter, I think he’s a rare case. He’s the only one I’ve ever met who was that evil. Since then, I’ve also met many other wonderful editors who have given me even more hope.
And I know most men aren’t like this, either. When a woman does something horrible, it doesn’t mean all women are horrible. So neither should it be so for men.
Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. Thanks again for your support and encouragement, Narendra. You’re always welcome to drop in:)
Dear Julie,
I am happy to inform you that i got 75 odd views for that just in 2 days..!!that has never happened to me..i think Now onwards i shall read your poems and try to write on same subject..LOL…that seems to work well…
now something other than this topic i need to say… the above comment is like a ‘deja vu’ to me…really..every word…even the comma and apostrophe…is so familiar…some say that deja vuS are a brain’s confusing strategy(but then why would my own brain confuse my own brain?..LOL..i am really confused),some say they have KARMIC roots…Like i have somewhere in my past lives (if at all i had any..and of course you too must have lived then..)i have met you and we have a had a discussion on this..perhaps the ‘editor’ was there too
…but Julie hard to imagine owning blogs then…LOL…
OKK jumping to the topic…i can think of two possibilities..one, the editor is/was mad!(which by now is pretty clear..yet).two, he must have had such experiences in his life(say, his wife,daughter et cetera…i am just imagining…..just my built story)hence perhaps he was reluctant(no! i need a better word…he wasnt reluctant ,,he refused to publish) to Publish the poem…perhaps it hurts him,hence he put on a mask of arrogance and chauvinism…With due respect to the authenticity of your encounter with this man i feel we cannot rule out this possibility…
well in any case i can jump to only one conclusion is that we think too much about society..and when the time to think about our home comes we turn to the society…and LO!what to you have?a callous and deaf society!!WOW!Life is complexxx…
Hi, Narendra! I’m not too slow to answer today…ha! I’m so glad you had 75 hits. It’s always nice to connect with other human beings with language. Sometimes, the connections involve hurt and healing. My friend said this one helped her to heal, and to be able to help a hurting person is such a good feeling.
You make an interesting point about deja vu. I’ve read articles that explain the “science” of it, but that takes all the fun out of it:) I have deja vu a lot. Or at least it feels like a lot. I have dreams that will come true sometimes years later. They don’t seem to be dreams of any importance. But maybe they are and I just don’t know it.
I never thought about how maybe the editor was covering up some hurt in his past. That could be true. Or maybe he’s just an ass
LOL! I guess either could be possible or a combination of the two. I refuse to have any sympathy for rapists. Because of the editor’s words, it’s hard to have any sympathy for him, either. If I knew his life story, maybe I could. I don’t know.
Thanks so much, Narendra! It’s always nice to talk to you.
hey i live in India ,dont I? or the times of our time zones have changed??LOL i mean normally i am supposed to sleep when you are active…vice versa!!
I just saw this post’s date…LOL…and i realise i wasn’t even born in this world(in blog world i mean…)How awful..i am commenting on old posts..do you mind it at all?
I don’t mind at all. No problem. All thoughtful comments are welcome at any time. The fact that you’re looking at old posts is a compliment.
Thanks so much!